Xenn
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Post by Xenn on Oct 17, 2018 10:36:24 GMT -5
I don't see too many Rangers in-game while I'm playing so I thought I'd ask here.
I've been trying to figure out if there is a better AoE option for Rangers than using the FHH. I've tried using the Hail of Arrows and Arc of Arrows spells with not much success (I try to line up the mobs tightly since the arc is small). I bought the Trick shot aug (I think that's what it was called) off the Greedy Goblin at the suggestion of another Ranger. That can proc Hail of Arrows. That didn't seem to do much at all either with my Abyss Bow. I killed things much slower than just using the FHH.
Is there some Ranger AoE tactic I am missing? I'm fully Infused geared with a couple of pieces of non-vis Abyss-Infused. I have a single infused aug in each of my visible slots. I'm still working on filling out the rest of my augs.
In Kod'Taz I can pull 20-35 mobs and kill them in about 30-60 seconds using the FHH (has a HoT aug). In Qvic I can only pull around 5-8 mobs and the FHH doesn't proc the HoT enough to keep the mobs from pummeling me. So in Qvic I usually use my dual wield weapons (with a couple of lifetap augs) and spam my Summer's Viridity to take them down one at a time (usually about 5 - 8 secs each). Maybe the solution is to throw a lifetap aug in my FHH to see if that will increase my survival chances.
One other question is why is the trick shot aug 1500 AA? It doesn't seem worth it to me unless I'm not using it correctly. I kind of wished I would have saved up 75 AA more and bought the lifetap aug instead and put that in my FHH.
Thanks for any input from my fellow Rangers! If you see me in-game (Briffo) feel free to send a tell.
EDIT: I noticed this post by Sturm in which he talks about AoEing a pack of mobs in the Grounds while taking no damage. I've never been to that zone so I'm not sure of the context, but does anyone know which 3 spells he is talking about?
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Post by loonie on Oct 17, 2018 12:17:19 GMT -5
Not specifically about Rangers, but just a general recommendation, do you use HoT potions? That’s what I generally roll with and I just click away on those bad boys as needed. That could potentially free up your weapon aug for something else (lifetap aug, dd, etc).
Loon
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Post by Nuke on Oct 17, 2018 12:32:01 GMT -5
Do Rangers get the discipline Area Destruction? because if they do that will help as well.
Perhaps if they have a way to snare or root those will help as well (never played a ranger past 55 so I have no clue what spells they have)
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Post by loonie on Oct 17, 2018 12:51:08 GMT -5
Do Rangers get the discipline Area Destruction? because if they do that will help as well. Perhaps if they have a way to snare or root those will help as well (never played a ranger past 55 so I have no clue what spells they have) Pretty sure they get the Counterattack Discipline. Dont have a high level Ranger, but I use Counterattack with my Rogue and it’s positively devastating. The hard part is bunching up 100+ mobs without getting killed first. The easy part is hitting the Counterattack button and watching them all die. Loon
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Post by Xenn on Oct 17, 2018 12:58:57 GMT -5
Not specifically about Rangers, but just a general recommendation, do you use HoT potions? That’s what I generally roll with and I just click away on those bad boys as needed. That could potentially free up your weapon aug for something else (lifetap aug, dd, etc). Loon I use HoT potions for tough boss fights. I suppose I could take the HoT out of the FHH and put a lifetap aug in there instead. I'm okay using the FHH, I was just curious about other AoE possibilities for Rangers.
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Post by Xenn on Oct 17, 2018 13:02:41 GMT -5
Do Rangers get the discipline Area Destruction? because if they do that will help as well. Perhaps if they have a way to snare or root those will help as well (never played a ranger past 55 so I have no clue what spells they have) Pretty sure they get the Counterattack Discipline. Dont have a high level Ranger, but I use Counterattack with my Rogue and it’s positively devastating. The hard part is bunching up 100+ mobs without getting killed first. The easy part is hitting the Counterattack button and watching them all die. Loon
We do get Area Destruction and I've played around with that a bit because I heard that discipline is what makes Berserkers very good. When testing it out I didn't notice it doing much damage to mobs other than my target.
I will have to look into Counterattack to see if that might be an option. Weaponshield Disciple might be another option but has a 12 minute refresh.
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Post by Nuke on Oct 17, 2018 14:39:03 GMT -5
Do Rangers get the discipline Area Destruction? because if they do that will help as well. Perhaps if they have a way to snare or root those will help as well (never played a ranger past 55 so I have no clue what spells they have) Pretty sure they get the Counterattack Discipline. Dont have a high level Ranger, but I use Counterattack with my Rogue and it’s positively devastating. The hard part is bunching up 100+ mobs without getting killed first. The easy part is hitting the Counterattack button and watching them all die. Loon My beast has the counterattack disc. and is the reason I have survived many a fight where the tanks died and I have been the last one standing. It does have a long cool down so I only use it when the crap hits the fan and if I did not hit the AoE disc. Which seems to do more if I am using the hammer rather than duel wielding, but survival is lower with out the duel wield. I change back and forth between weapons during fights depending on who I am with and what we are fighting. Skarr tells me he is dropping them to me I toss duel wield on because it is about survival. With all fights the Hybrid classes need to adjust how they are playing sometimes multiple times through the fight, sometimes you are tanking, sometimes you are support/dps. Even solo I change weapons depending on how the fight is going.
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Post by yora on Oct 17, 2018 16:14:19 GMT -5
EDIT: I noticed this post by Sturm in which he talks about AoEing a pack of mobs in the Grounds while taking no damage. I've never been to that zone so I'm not sure of the context, but does anyone know which 3 spells he is talking about? I'm also curious what sturm was using here. I assume he was using weaponshield but don't know about the rest. Edit: from sturms other post : "Lots of AA's have been turned off for classes. I have enabled Trick Shot again for Ranger's, that will go live after today's scheduled reboot. Please note, you must have at least 2 arrow's for this passive ability to activate." Have you been using 2 arrows in your ammo slot?
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Post by Xenn on Oct 17, 2018 23:46:56 GMT -5
EDIT: I noticed this post by Sturm in which he talks about AoEing a pack of mobs in the Grounds while taking no damage. I've never been to that zone so I'm not sure of the context, but does anyone know which 3 spells he is talking about? I'm also curious what sturm was using here. I assume he was using weaponshield but don't know about the rest. Edit: from sturms other post : "Lots of AA's have been turned off for classes. I have enabled Trick Shot again for Ranger's, that will go live after today's scheduled reboot. Please note, you must have at least 2 arrow's for this passive ability to activate." Have you been using 2 arrows in your ammo slot? Hey Yora! I believe you gave me the Abyss Bow was back when I was a fresh Ranger. Thanks!
Yes, I usually have at least 2 arrows but I've noticed from time to time only 1 is there and the rest are in my inventory. I haven't pinpointed when this happens.
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Post by yora on Oct 18, 2018 0:12:59 GMT -5
I'm also curious what sturm was using here. I assume he was using weaponshield but don't know about the rest. Edit: from sturms other post : "Lots of AA's have been turned off for classes. I have enabled Trick Shot again for Ranger's, that will go live after today's scheduled reboot. Please note, you must have at least 2 arrow's for this passive ability to activate." Have you been using 2 arrows in your ammo slot? Hey Yora! I believe you gave me the Abyss Bow was back when I was a fresh Ranger. Thanks!
Yes, I usually have at least 2 arrows but I've noticed from time to time only 1 is there and the rest are in my inventory. I haven't pinpointed when this happens. No idea if that's intentional or not, but it could possibly be a bug. Keep an eye on it and see if you can replicate in what situation arrows are moved from your ammo slot to inventory. If the AA intends for you to have multiple arrows in your ammo slot i can't imagine it being intended for those to be used up with endless quiver active. I could be way off though, just speculation and no prob about the abyss bow, glad you found it useful!
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Post by Assault, The Absent on Oct 18, 2018 6:39:08 GMT -5
I would speculate that it might be a saved option when using the auto-weapon transfer system. Maybe some of your saved setups dont have multiple arrows saved. I am not even positive that ammo is a selection for this either, just a thought.
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Post by Mythrodin on Oct 19, 2018 7:39:20 GMT -5
There is a distinct secret to making the area destruction disc shine above all others: rapidly pulling small groups and pulling more before the first pack is dead. If you do not have the staff of prismatic flux, I strongly recommend questing it before doing anything else, as the instant click will help streamline pulling 1,000 fold. Pull 5 mobs (or whatever you can handle), get down to 1-2 left, tag a couple more mobs, and keep it going until your AD disc is low. I also recommend timing any defensive type skills with your AD disc.
I had no idea rangers get AD and if that is true, rangers are every bit as bad ass as berserkers are. I guarantee it.
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Post by Assault, The Absent on Oct 19, 2018 9:49:12 GMT -5
Hah! You are funny Myth.
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Xenn
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Post by Xenn on Oct 19, 2018 9:54:12 GMT -5
I would speculate that it might be a saved option when using the auto-weapon transfer system. Maybe some of your saved setups dont have multiple arrows saved. I am not even positive that ammo is a selection for this either, just a thought.
I found what I think is a bug and I've posted in the bug forum. Basically when you switch weapons and then zone out it removes all arrows but 1 in the ammo slot. It did this to me every time I tested it.
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Post by Xenn on Oct 19, 2018 10:02:44 GMT -5
There is a distinct secret to making the area destruction disc shine above all others: rapidly pulling small groups and pulling more before the first pack is dead. If you do not have the staff of prismatic flux, I strongly recommend questing it before doing anything else, as the instant click will help streamline pulling 1,000 fold. Pull 5 mobs (or whatever you can handle), get down to 1-2 left, tag a couple more mobs, and keep it going until your AD disc is low. I also recommend timing any defensive type skills with your AD disc. I had no idea rangers get AD and if that is true, rangers are every bit as bad ass as berserkers are. I guarantee it.
So far when using AD it seems to take longer to kill a group of mobs versus using the FHH. When the FHH procs it is doing a lot more damage to the surrounding mobs. So far I think my fastest method of taking on a group of mobs is to pull around 5, and the alternate between my insta-cast nuke and melee. Usually 2 nukes will kill a mob in Qvic. If I pull more than 5 it can get a bit iffy due to how frequently they hit me. I'm slowly mitigating that by adding more infused augs to my gear as I can afford it. I think when I get to the point where my AC is high enough then I can just use the FHH and pull a lot more mobs.
I've barely played any custom content other than feerrott2 and I definitely can't take on groups of those mobs yet.
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