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Post by Mythrodin on Oct 19, 2018 10:09:27 GMT -5
What epic do you have? That will dramatically affect dps output.
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Post by Assault, The Absent on Oct 19, 2018 10:40:17 GMT -5
Morzan still has the 2.5, but is on the last'ish steps of the 3.0 epic. My Ranger has every piece of top-end gear available to the filthy-casual without going full blown neck-beard on farming.
Keep in mind: I have done ZERO parsing, ZERO real testing, and ZERO sim-crafting. This is simply the way the class feels and handles in my honest OPINION.
Ranger weapons DPS is just not nearly as high as other classes such as warrior and zerker. It is more on par with rogue weapon dps output minus the backstab opportunities. Ranger excels over the rogue with higher defensive discs and procs at their disposal, but all come with a long cooldown. I have found that mass-pulling (10-20) mobs in high-end custom content my Ranger is overly RNG dependant on procs to survive. Blowing weapon shield disc pretty much makes you invincible, but don't tend to have the dps to effectively kill the pull before it expires. Ranger is still an amazing class that has plenty of tricks up their sleeves, you just cant expect to play them like a warrior and expect similar results.
As I said, Ranger has loads of tools in the tool-kit available to them. I find that I excel in group play and can often times pull off some pretty clutch tanking when needed in a pinch for short duration, with the possibility of extended tanking due to some nicely timed procs. I greatly enjoy my ranger when I am playing with friends or groups of people, but when going solo I find it more enjoyable to roll with beefier, heavy hitting Warrior or Zerker.
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Post by yora on Oct 24, 2018 12:35:18 GMT -5
Morzan still has the 2.5, but is on the last'ish steps of the 3.0 epic. My Ranger has every piece of top-end gear available to the filthy-casual without going full blown neck-beard on farming. Keep in mind: I have done ZERO parsing, ZERO real testing, and ZERO sim-crafting. This is simply the way the class feels and handles in my honest OPINION. Ranger weapons DPS is just not nearly as high as other classes such as warrior and zerker. It is more on par with rogue weapon dps output minus the backstab opportunities. Ranger excels over the rogue with higher defensive discs and procs at their disposal, but all come with a long cooldown. I have found that mass-pulling (10-20) mobs in high-end custom content my Ranger is overly RNG dependant on procs to survive. Blowing weapon shield disc pretty much makes you invincible, but don't tend to have the dps to effectively kill the pull before it expires. Ranger is still an amazing class that has plenty of tricks up their sleeves, you just cant expect to play them like a warrior and expect similar results. As I said, Ranger has loads of tools in the tool-kit available to them. I find that I excel in group play and can often times pull off some pretty clutch tanking when needed in a pinch for short duration, with the possibility of extended tanking due to some nicely timed procs. I greatly enjoy my ranger when I am playing with friends or groups of people, but when going solo I find it more enjoyable to roll with beefier, heavy hitting Warrior or Zerker. Even a warrior gets eaten by big pulls unless a SK clicky is active. Paladin is better than warrior (big pulls) but still pales in comparison to SK with clicky on. I do agree that rangers couild use some love. All the people I see playing rangers eventually reroll when they realize rangers can't do that much end game. In the end it's all about fun though. If you have fun doing big pulls, don't play a ranger Lol.
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Post by Mythrodin on Oct 25, 2018 8:43:32 GMT -5
Morzan still has the 2.5, but is on the last'ish steps of the 3.0 epic. My Ranger has every piece of top-end gear available to the filthy-casual without going full blown neck-beard on farming. Keep in mind: I have done ZERO parsing, ZERO real testing, and ZERO sim-crafting. This is simply the way the class feels and handles in my honest OPINION. Ranger weapons DPS is just not nearly as high as other classes such as warrior and zerker. It is more on par with rogue weapon dps output minus the backstab opportunities. Ranger excels over the rogue with higher defensive discs and procs at their disposal, but all come with a long cooldown. I have found that mass-pulling (10-20) mobs in high-end custom content my Ranger is overly RNG dependant on procs to survive. Blowing weapon shield disc pretty much makes you invincible, but don't tend to have the dps to effectively kill the pull before it expires. Ranger is still an amazing class that has plenty of tricks up their sleeves, you just cant expect to play them like a warrior and expect similar results. As I said, Ranger has loads of tools in the tool-kit available to them. I find that I excel in group play and can often times pull off some pretty clutch tanking when needed in a pinch for short duration, with the possibility of extended tanking due to some nicely timed procs. I greatly enjoy my ranger when I am playing with friends or groups of people, but when going solo I find it more enjoyable to roll with beefier, heavy hitting Warrior or Zerker. Even a warrior gets eaten by big pulls unless a SK clicky is active. Paladin is better than warrior (big pulls) but still pales in comparison to SK with clicky on. I do agree that rangers couild use some love. All the people I see playing rangers eventually reroll when they realize rangers can't do that much end game. In the end it's all about fun though. If you have fun doing big pulls, don't play a ranger Lol. Edit: I think the big issue here is that SK clicky has become a must have item because of how good it is. If you don't have a SK as part of your melee duo, you are gimping yourself. 1 SK clicky is worth 10 rangers IMO. Careful Yora, you're going to get SK epic nerfed. Always encourage a situation where under performing classes are brought up to the level that an op class is.
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Post by Assault, The Absent on Oct 25, 2018 15:02:30 GMT -5
Even a warrior gets eaten by big pulls unless a SK clicky is active. Paladin is better than warrior (big pulls) but still pales in comparison to SK with clicky on. I do agree that rangers couild use some love. All the people I see playing rangers eventually reroll when they realize rangers can't do that much end game. In the end it's all about fun though. If you have fun doing big pulls, don't play a ranger Lol. Edit: I think the big issue here is that SK clicky has become a must have item because of how good it is. If you don't have a SK as part of your melee duo, you are gimping yourself. 1 SK clicky is worth 10 rangers IMO. Careful Yora, you're going to get SK epic nerfed. Always encourage a situation where under performing classes are brought up to the level that an op class is. Sounds to me like you have been playing with the wrong warriors! I must say, Krip and even Assault back in the day were just as strong with the proper weapon setups and and discs as a SK with his epic click. Don't get me wrong, SK can go invincible for a period of time while his epic is up, but a warrior can rip through an HF clear much quicker in my experience.
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Post by yora on Oct 25, 2018 16:33:45 GMT -5
Even a warrior gets eaten by big pulls unless a SK clicky is active. Paladin is better than warrior (big pulls) but still pales in comparison to SK with clicky on. I do agree that rangers couild use some love. All the people I see playing rangers eventually reroll when they realize rangers can't do that much end game. In the end it's all about fun though. If you have fun doing big pulls, don't play a ranger Lol. Edit: I think the big issue here is that SK clicky has become a must have item because of how good it is. If you don't have a SK as part of your melee duo, you are gimping yourself. 1 SK clicky is worth 10 rangers IMO. Careful Yora, you're going to get SK epic nerfed. Always encourage a situation where under performing classes are brought up to the level that an op class is. Good point and that was not my intention at all. SK should not get nerfed, but ranger could use a buff for sure.
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Post by yora on Oct 26, 2018 18:17:35 GMT -5
To clarify on my earlier post.
Warrior excels at tanking tough mobs and bosses, no class can match it. SK excels at tanking large trains of mobs, no class can match it. Paladin is kind of a mix of the two, has the lowest dps of the three, can't tank trains as well as SK and can't tank bosses as well as war (pally could prob use a boost too tbh).
Ranger excels at not much. DPS is mediocre (less than warrior), tanking is mediocre (less than SK/Pal/War). They have 1 disc - weaponshield - which can't be matched, but having to rely on a long cooldown to be effective is not ideal.
Anyway just my 2ct. I don't think any classes should be nerfed but Pally/Ranger could def use a buff. I'm sure this is also true for monks.
Disclaimer: I haven't tested specifics of any of this, just going by what i've seen.
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Post by Mythrodin on Oct 29, 2018 8:29:32 GMT -5
Assault and I have plans to test the "real strength" of rangers in the near future. I'll bet an exp potion that rangers can clear a 200 mob pull in innyb just like Mythrodin can.
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Post by Nora on Nov 13, 2018 0:41:44 GMT -5
Make sure you're using the Thundering Strikes buff. It's a decent enough proc with a chance to proc a mini counterattack disc. You can't always rely on it and be an unstoppable killing machine but riposting a whole bunch while doing AOE melee swings...
Also, for bows, make sure you get the bow aug from the goblin vendor in GL. I forget offhand what it's called but if you aim the cone right it actually does quite a lot of damage.
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Post by yora on Nov 13, 2018 20:09:08 GMT -5
Make sure you're using the Thundering Strikes buff. It's a decent enough proc with a chance to proc a mini counterattack disc. You can't always rely on it and be an unstoppable killing machine but riposting a whole bunch while doing AOE melee swings... Also, for bows, make sure you get the bow aug from the goblin vendor in GL. I forget offhand what it's called but if you aim the cone right it actually does quite a lot of damage. Nora are you playing again? was wondering where you been!
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Post by Nora on Nov 14, 2018 21:23:25 GMT -5
Make sure you're using the Thundering Strikes buff. It's a decent enough proc with a chance to proc a mini counterattack disc. You can't always rely on it and be an unstoppable killing machine but riposting a whole bunch while doing AOE melee swings... Also, for bows, make sure you get the bow aug from the goblin vendor in GL. I forget offhand what it's called but if you aim the cone right it actually does quite a lot of damage. Nora are you playing again? was wondering where you been! Yeh I've been meaning to. Work's been junk
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