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Post by yunke on Apr 23, 2015 1:20:54 GMT -5
Quarkens with lifetap augs, or Abys's wep with lifetap augs as duo with BBoB ?
Just thinking about that, maybe it worth to change my BBoB/Quarkens duo .
The stats on abys weps are awsome, but you miss the innate proc quarkens have. But dps will be better. But the hp / ac / proc from Quarkens isnt bad at all.
What you will do guys ? Give me your point ,)
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Post by Genesis on Apr 23, 2015 4:29:15 GMT -5
I haven't seen the new weapons for Warriors but my Warrior dual wields Quarkens and I'd like to think that eventually I'll get enough AA's for some augs on him. Works well enough.
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Post by yunke on Apr 23, 2015 5:32:20 GMT -5
I used 2 Quarkens and replaced main hand for the BBoB one.
Now I plan to switch Quarkens for the new weps that drop in the expansion, since the stats are nice. But ac and Hp is still better on Quarkens. But the dmg from wep is so low compared to the new wepons
Also the pet proc always helps as extra dps. We can place lifetap augs on Abys weps and still have a good way to survive to most fights.
Not sure if the innate proc worth use the sword or if it will be a good option to use the new weps instead
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Post by besetti on Apr 23, 2015 12:21:43 GMT -5
Possibly with the Ultimate Weapon aug in an abyss weapon you could replace your main hand quarken, but without that, the new abyss weapons can't provide the passive healing that the quarken's do(not to mention the stats are a downgrade).
Unlike the other tank classes, warriors don't have an innate way to heal so unless we can get a task to turn a quarken into a quarken aug(no stats, just lifetap), they will still be the best option for a while.
The pet proc is pretty irrelevant at this point since they only stay up for 3-5 seconds, if they stayed up for 30 sec duration then they might be more of a factor.
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Post by Vinlar on Apr 23, 2015 15:57:38 GMT -5
Possibly with the Ultimate Weapon aug in an abyss weapon you could replace your main hand quarken, but without that, the new abyss weapons can't provide the passive healing that the quarken's do(not to mention the stats are a downgrade). Unlike the other tank classes, warriors don't have an innate way to heal so unless we can get a task to turn a quarken into a quarken aug(no stats, just lifetap), they will still be the best option for a while. The pet proc is pretty irrelevant at this point since they only stay up for 3-5 seconds, if they stayed up for 30 sec duration then they might be more of a factor. The pets actually do a considerable amount of dmg for their short life span, and will chain proc with multiple pets up at once. That aside your idea of turning a quark into an aug is one I really like. I'll look at what would be involved with something like that, already got a couple ideas. edit - couple quick ideas. Trade in abyss weapon + quarken to get a war only version of abyss weapon sword with lifetal I dead of swarm pet proc. Turn in quarks for litetap that quarke I has. This has the side effect of allowing everyone to take advantage of the quarks weapons as a suedo currency to gain access to the weapons literal proc. These are ideas I just had and still need approval from the rest of the rev team.
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Post by acius on Apr 23, 2015 22:24:58 GMT -5
Possibly with the Ultimate Weapon aug in an abyss weapon you could replace your main hand quarken, but without that, the new abyss weapons can't provide the passive healing that the quarken's do(not to mention the stats are a downgrade). Unlike the other tank classes, warriors don't have an innate way to heal so unless we can get a task to turn a quarken into a quarken aug(no stats, just lifetap), they will still be the best option for a while. The pet proc is pretty irrelevant at this point since they only stay up for 3-5 seconds, if they stayed up for 30 sec duration then they might be more of a factor. The pets actually do a considerable amount of dmg for their short life span, and will chain proc with multiple pets up at once. That aside your idea of turning a quark into an aug is one I really like. I'll look at what would be involved with something like that, already got a couple ideas. edit - couple quick ideas. Trade in abyss weapon + quarken to get a war only version of abyss weapon sword with lifetal I dead of swarm pet proc. Turn in quarks for litetap that quarke I has. This has the side effect of allowing everyone to take advantage of the quarks weapons as a suedo currency to gain access to the weapons literal proc. These are ideas I just had and still need approval from the rest of the rev team. I think it should stay warrior only, the entire idea behind quarkens was to give warriors the extra boost. That being said, my understanding of the new weapon design was to move away from complete lifetap reliance. The new weapons were made attractive enough to drop quarkens completely and depend on the AA life tap augs instead of an inferior weapon just for the proc. I have no idea how thats working in practice as I dont play a warrior, however. Don't mind me though, I'm just playing devil's advocate
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Post by Atrayas on Apr 23, 2015 22:49:28 GMT -5
ok, tbh im sick of people wanting to hang onto those damned quarkens lol..here is what I propose. Ill give the swarm pets a group lifetap proc that hits for around 2-5k, with 4 or 5 of these suckers up thats a considerable amount of healing. Give me some thoughts here.
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Post by Genesis on Apr 24, 2015 2:13:09 GMT -5
I love group life tap, makes me hot and sweaty.
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Post by yunke on Apr 24, 2015 6:14:49 GMT -5
ok, tbh im sick of people wanting to hang onto those damned quarkens lol..here is what I propose. Ill give the swarm pets a group lifetap proc that hits for around 2-5k, with 4 or 5 of these suckers up thats a considerable amount of healing. Give me some thoughts here. The proc from Quarkens isnt that big lol The idea to create a NPC to turn Quarkens into an aug its nice, it could be something like this 95 ac 500 hp 5 Dmg Drain proc for 350 Its not a bad aug and the stats are half of the sword right now.+/- With that, it will give a good use for the swords as wars we already have and dont use / we plan to change for something else. Also with this, ppl will buy the sword from the goblin, even if they cant use it just to get the new aug. Your pet idea will give a good chance to survive as group, but there are lots of ways to make that Instead of create that for the melee weps, just create a wep line for casters, with a clicky to summon 2 or 3 pets, that last for 30 seconds with that Drain proc you talk about. With a reasonable recast time.
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Post by Atrayas on Apr 24, 2015 8:52:34 GMT -5
ok, tbh im sick of people wanting to hang onto those damned quarkens lol..here is what I propose. Ill give the swarm pets a group lifetap proc that hits for around 2-5k, with 4 or 5 of these suckers up thats a considerable amount of healing. Give me some thoughts here. The proc from Quarkens isnt that big lol The idea to create a NPC to turn Quarkens into an aug its nice, it could be something like this 95 ac 500 hp 5 Dmg Drain proc for 350 Its not a bad aug and the stats are half of the sword right now.+/- With that, it will give a good use for the swords as wars we already have and dont use / we plan to change for something else. Also with this, ppl will buy the sword from the goblin, even if they cant use it just to get the new aug. Your pet idea will give a good chance to survive as group, but there are lots of ways to make that Instead of create that for the melee weps, just create a wep line for casters, with a clicky to summon 2 or 3 pets, that last for 30 seconds with that Drain proc you talk about. With a reasonable recast time. Get off the quarken bandwagon...this is new content with new stuff. That sword should never have been on the server in the first place imo, it makes trying to make new stuff viable a pita and people think they NEED it when they dont.
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Post by besetti on Apr 24, 2015 9:56:58 GMT -5
Personally I think group heal procs are the wrong way to go, not only do they severely devalue an entire archetype, they lead to pretty boring fights as most/all of the healing is passive. Just look to EZ server to see how it works it out(entire 18 man raids without a single healer).
The issue at hand is that warriors do not benefit from any of the spell dmg and healing amt, not a single ability is boosted(and we have very few abilities to begin with), while SK and PAL have tons of abilities that are. So if you are going to depreciate the quarken, then there needs to be work done on custom warrior stuff(or allow us to change classes via quest). Group heal procs wouldn't address this issue.
Also due to the solo/duo nature, you can't really make a ton of mobs that require a warrior to tank, so we don't even have that niche where we suffer during grouping but shine during raids.
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Post by yunke on Apr 24, 2015 10:41:32 GMT -5
The proc from Quarkens isnt that big lol The idea to create a NPC to turn Quarkens into an aug its nice, it could be something like this 95 ac 500 hp 5 Dmg Drain proc for 350 Its not a bad aug and the stats are half of the sword right now.+/- With that, it will give a good use for the swords as wars we already have and dont use / we plan to change for something else. Also with this, ppl will buy the sword from the goblin, even if they cant use it just to get the new aug. Your pet idea will give a good chance to survive as group, but there are lots of ways to make that Instead of create that for the melee weps, just create a wep line for casters, with a clicky to summon 2 or 3 pets, that last for 30 seconds with that Drain proc you talk about. With a reasonable recast time. Get off the quarken bandwagon...this is new content with new stuff. That sword should never have been on the server in the first place imo, it makes trying to make new stuff viable a pita and people think they NEED it when they dont. Ok, its new content with new stuff , and ? that dosent mean we have options in the other hand. The sword is there, dunno why you say it shouldnt be. Besseti explains it so good. Like he / she says, if you think we are " wep dependants " when we dont have " better options to survive " , focus on create more / better war only gear. The idea I gave you, its not to be Quarkens dependant, its just to add something to do with an Item that right now a) Only wars can use b) There are better options to use, but rarely you will change since you survive better with that shit sword ( Isnt this a solo / duo server ? Then where is the problem if a war can solo with just 1 of that swords ? ) If you read again the idea I just told, isnt that bad. With that, we all will have a new use to something its already banked ( I wont destroy a 0.0033% drop rate sword I got from sebilis trash ) It also will give players that have AA's banked, without use em, a new target. Since you will be able to get a new aug for your weps, any class will buy the sword ( from other players or with aas ) to get the new aug. So this means a new market will be open. Im already thinking about get out my quarkens and use one of the new weps , and thats why I started this post. But lets be honest, a sword with innate drain plus 1 or 2 drain augs, give you something thats hard to get. And TBH Thnx to that swords I was able to progress into GoD and get new gear without worry about finding a group to do it ( for the times Im online and none of the players I know are online ) And to finish,if the sword was created , it was for a good purpose
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Post by spuds on Apr 24, 2015 11:54:47 GMT -5
ok, tbh im sick of people wanting to hang onto those damned quarkens lol..here is what I propose. Ill give the swarm pets a group lifetap proc that hits for around 2-5k, with 4 or 5 of these suckers up thats a considerable amount of healing. Give me some thoughts here. This only kicks the can down the road. Lifetap procs will still be the most important defensive stat on a weapon and to unseed the new weapon you'll need to equal or better it on the next weapon.
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Post by Atrayas on Apr 24, 2015 14:17:18 GMT -5
You guys only see it from a players view, not from a devs view. Giving more and more powerful taps on weapons to make an old weapon not viable only increases the difficulty of balancing content. The new weapons are superior in every way for dps except that it does not have a lifetap proc. Everyone else is happy with them except a few choice warriors. You guys get better bang for your buck with ac, more hp than any other class and with the ability to 2 box and have bots healing should not be an issue. The problem I see is everyone thinks that bosses and raid mobs are SUPPOSE to be soloed when in fact that is not how this server was ever advertised.
- 100M Fiber Connection, 64G RAM - Individual Progression - Fast XP and AA - Gear stat increase - AA increases - New NPCs, teleporter bot, merchants, augments to assist in raids, and a gambling merchant to acquire additional rare items - Artifacts and rare items can drop from any monster (~1/200 chance). - Raids adjusted for 2-6 players - Bots enabled, mercenaries disabled. 6 person max raid size and group size, 2 bots maximum spawned in per person.
Above was the very first advertisement for this server. We never changed that stance, the players just assumed it was suppose to be solo/duo only...So again, I will never make items in the future to allow for bosses to be soloed. That is exactly what this is about.
So future weapons will have unique procs and effects. Future augs may or may not have taps but never will they be to the extreme's that the quarken tap is.
I have played a warrior extensively without using a lifetap proc at all just to see how it went and guess what, trash was a breeze, even in the new zones, just have to pull to safe areas and gettem 1 at a time. Before that I tested on old bosses and as expected I could kill bosses a couple tiers below me np but current tier that I happened to be in at the time would give me some trouble. This is with bots only and no tap procs. So warriors are very viable as they are and tbh other classes need more attention than warriors at this point.
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Post by yunke on Apr 24, 2015 14:27:04 GMT -5
Well, Atrayas, if you read all the post I started this asking about other's opinion since I have in mind to use the new wep instead of quarkens, and asked others to tell me what they think
After someone told about the aug version of quarkens, I gave my idea on how it can be, nothing else
If after GoD and the new expansion ppl still use the same sword, means something, but its true that if you box, like everyone does, a healer class, you are more than OK without that much lifetap procs.
There are players that are already DW 2 of the new swords, and maybe its doable. Since I didnt tested it myself, is why I came here to ask others. So bad the ones that are using that combo aint telling us anything in here.
Its an open post to say what we all think about that and 2 different topics are in here right now.
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