Everything that isn't a warrior (just about)

This reminds me of the old knight vs warrior weapon argument on live. Warriors wanted to be able to use knight weapons due to their higher dmg even with increased delay due to haste bringing down the weapons dly. The argument for them not being able to use them was that warriors could DW and knights could not. This isn't the exact same situation but some of those principles may apply.

I haven't grouped with enough rogues at end game to comment if this is needed to boost their dps or not. Both classes are highly reliant on adps (Panther & Bard), along with weapon procs, just like all melee.

I actually think bards are quite nice, Strung. They're not meant to be able to tank or be a significant source of DPS; however, they are meant to be a utility class benefitting the group and bards do that quite well here. Significant overhaste + proc song makes a HUGE different in groups / raid content, so I think bards are fine.

Zephyr has said he's trying to find a way to balance monks without nerfing other classes, so there's some hope there

Out of curiosity, have you parsed your rogue DPS yet Aryx? It's not super important how much damage is on the weapon in comparison to tank weapons because the rogue mechanics for DPS are just significantly different. I would suggest doing parses with similarly geared rogs and wars to see exactly what the difference is. It's a little preemptive to believe things are out of balance due to the damage on a weapon alone.

I'm trying to find one with you bud. But in a server set up to be soloable, you can't really expect every character to serve more than one purpose. War/Shm is preferred here because each of those classes serve two purposes: Tank/Dps and Heal/Utility DPS. When you start looking at class purposes it gets difficult to start changing classes without taking away from an other class. The major problem with wars here (imo) is that Quarkens exist, but it's a bit too late to take quarkens away. War survivability drops significantly without quarkens until you're near max Tacvi geared, but I find myself using Quarkens for the spikey DPS encounters when I don't have more than one healer anyways.

But on that same note: It's designed to be a solo server, mostly. Without Quarkens, war soloability also takes a significant drop. (For the non raid geared/max AA War)

But ultimately I think the real thing to do here is to make a suggestion, Strung. What would you have done if you could have anything done? (Post suggestions in that thread that Maelik created earlier).

This is EXACTLY where I was going with the original post.

With my rogue, I do use poisons. What I suspect could be a likely significant issue rogues face is getting procing augs for their piercers. Both the Greedy Goblin purchased Fragment of Time and Bite of the Serpent are unusable in piercers (but Rogue usable). My rogue is currently running around duel wielding Tacvi daggers along with the backstab damage aug off Tunat but most of my proc augs are the ones I purchased in Crescent Reach. Obviously, I could switch out my offhand to a 1hs or something to incorporate those other augs...heh, but guess Ive always been a purist in thinking Rogues should be duel wielding piercers darn it.

Just letting Rogues put the procing augs that everybody else has in our piercers would be a nice step in the right direction imho. (unless this is a intentional that rogues can not put these augs in piercers).

Augs should start to be rogue usable. Im also tweaking them some more this weekend in addition to the backstab hate change last patch.

I am the friend Gamoril is talking about, the Paladin is Konba.

When playing with him, he basically has to auto attack on his SK and do nothing else or he pulls agro. We are similarly geared, I am chain casting group heals, stuns and Flash of Light and mobs just do not want to stick to me.

Given how Decript Skin is broken at the moment, I've been trying to tank using Ward of Tunare because it's more effective in the content we're in, but one spell and the mobs just turn to Gamoril. With the sub-par DPS of Paladins, the group heal proc is about the only thing Konba is good for at the moment, which is frustrating. It's fine when I'm just boxing PAL/SHM but in a group, as far as I'm concerned, tanks should be able to hold agro off anyone equally geared or below, with the possible exception of a Warrior trying to pull agro. SK's get a really solid AOE hate spell, Paladins don't seem to get anything similar. Can we turn one of the stuns (which are useless in late game content with all mobs being immune to them) into an AOE anger spell or something? I don't want to fall into the trap of playing a Warrior like everyone else just because they are better at the moment.

As for other classes, I dunno about Magicians but I haven't noticed my pet getting any better with gear improvements (I suppose this applies to Necromancers and Beastlords too, and to a lesser degree every other class with a pet). They are OP at lower levels, the pet is generally above player DPS until later in the levels but it seems that once I hit the Elementals, the pet just... sucked. They do ok damage I guess, nothing spectacular compared to some classes, and they are easy to play, but the pet eats dirt way too easily. I imagine in Gates that stray AOE's or rampages will just smash the pet about pretty quickly, and with the way gear scaling doesn't affect pets, their DPS will steadily fall behind.

My solution is to make items that drop in each tier of content that summon pet weapons that have increasing power as you go through the tiers. So in the Elementals you could loot an item that would summon a pet weapon with x stats. In Time you could loot one that summons a slightly better weapon. In Tipt or Vxed you could loot a new one. Obviously this poses the problem that some people might equip low level pets with them and it would just be crazy but perhaps you guys know of a way to code it so pets can only equip the weapons once they reach a certain level, or that the stats of the items scale with level even for pets. I'm not sure on that one. This way you could tweak the pet attack speed, primary stats, mods, damage output, AC, HP and all that jazz and allow pet classes to grow more powerful without making pets godlike as soon as you hit 75. Would give me more incentive to play my Mages again anyway.

Just a thought.