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Post by shodai on Jun 8, 2015 7:00:14 GMT -5
So I created a paladin a week or so ago, and aside from the =ultimate augs he's in good shape (full abyss infused/infused/infused augs/abyss wep/abyss shield/all aa's). I think he tanks pretty well, not amazing but a bit better than a similarly geared SK. The glaring issue is that the DPS is incredibly low, id say 1/4-1/3 of SK's at the top-end of the game. No joke.
Is this by design? Any thoughts? The 10-15% better tanking efficiency doesn't seem to make up for the super-low dps.
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Post by trilith on Jun 8, 2015 13:48:36 GMT -5
Shodai I may be wrong but a lot of people compare sk to life dps. Every character has the opportunity to get 10 click dots which do an insane amount of damage. That is where the majority of sk damage comes from. There are probably more clicks I just have not found yet. Because other then the 1 extra lifetap proc only difference sk has is dots. Which we have to keep lifetaps loaded to not die so only minimal dots kept up.
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Post by jezril on Jun 8, 2015 20:29:31 GMT -5
Shodai I may be wrong but a lot of people compare sk to life dps. Every character has the opportunity to get 10 click dots which do an insane amount of damage. That is where the majority of sk damage comes from. There are probably more clicks I just have not found yet. Because other then the 1 extra lifetap proc only difference sk has is dots. Which we have to keep lifetaps loaded to not die so only minimal dots kept up. yeah uh, when we're tanking we don't do much in the way of DPs because were constantly life tapping trying to stay alive. But when were not tanking we can DPS like some fools with 6+ dots.
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Post by jezril on Jun 8, 2015 20:32:45 GMT -5
I used to group with this one paladin all the time, he was sick IMO. He fully utilized dot clickies, and he could main tank while keeping the group alive, himself included.
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Post by adonhiram on Jun 9, 2015 1:15:24 GMT -5
Absolutely, and I would like to add most clickies are usable by other classes, I use myself 3 different dot clickies, adds a lot in term of dps for boss fights.
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Post by shodai on Jun 9, 2015 1:55:30 GMT -5
Clickie arguements are totally missing the point. If everyone can use the same clickies (they can) you have to assume they all are or the game will never be balanced. All else equal, I would wager a paladins dps against and equally geared sk's dps is half. Happy to parse sometime.
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Post by valeskia on Jun 9, 2015 5:58:37 GMT -5
Is there anywhere on the forum or wiki where some of the dot clickies are listed?
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Post by jezril on Jun 9, 2015 6:00:32 GMT -5
Clickie arguements are totally missing the point. If everyone can use the same clickies (they can) you have to assume they all are or the game will never be balanced. All else equal, I would wager a paladins dps against and equally geared sk's dps is half. Happy to parse sometime. let's parse then
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Post by yunke on Jun 9, 2015 6:01:37 GMT -5
I Still dont see the point where ppl want tanks to be a dps class You can go dps, you can go tank, but you cant have both at same time
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Post by shodai on Jun 9, 2015 9:36:58 GMT -5
I Still dont see the point where ppl want tanks to be a dps class You can go dps, you can go tank, but you cant have both at same time No one is saying Paladins need to do Rogue or Wiz dps. I'm simply saying, since starting to play a paladin a lot, there seem to be concerns with their DPS output in relation to their counterpart...SK's. There are not many paladins on the server, so if I can help get them to the level where they should be, that's good for everyone and more folks will play the class. Jez, send me a tell in-game today on Quake or Blanks, I'll jump in the arena.
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Post by jezril on Jun 9, 2015 10:08:34 GMT -5
I Still dont see the point where ppl want tanks to be a dps class You can go dps, you can go tank, but you cant have both at same time No one is saying Paladins need to do Rogue or Wiz dps. I'm simply saying, since starting to play a paladin a lot, there seem to be concerns with their DPS output in relation to their counterpart...SK's. There are not many paladins on the server, so if I can help get them to the level where they should be, that's good for everyone and more folks will play the class. Jez, send me a tell in-game today on Quake or Blanks, I'll jump in the arena. alright. No imperium fury or HOI. And I won't dot either, I'll imagine it like a tanking situation. You should have the upper hand here because I have to cast lifetaps to make it realistic.
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Post by jezril on Jun 9, 2015 10:14:55 GMT -5
By the way I forgot to add, while Sk's and pal's are both considered knights they shouldn't be ranked in the same class. SKS and pals can both tank, but what are their secondary roles? A paladin's secondary role is a healer (which they're damn good at, better than a sham IMO), whereas an Sk's secondary role is extra DPs. Am I right or am I mistaken?
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Post by trilith on Jun 9, 2015 15:06:18 GMT -5
One thing I do want to say is a paladin can solo the messenger "raid" in innothule b much easier then a sk can, I am kinda under the resumption that nothing i do is fast thats why i play a shaman for cougar, but atleast i can tank it.
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Post by Grease on Sept 8, 2019 11:07:49 GMT -5
By the way I forgot to add, while Sk's and pal's are both considered knights they shouldn't be ranked in the same class. SKS and pals can both tank, but what are their secondary roles? A paladin's secondary role is a healer (which they're damn good at, better than a sham IMO), whereas an Sk's secondary role is extra DPs. Am I right or am I mistaken? I don't mean to bump a dead thread, but I couldn't help it, this is literally one of the best observations I have read. Yes paladin DPS suuux sooo baaad, but they truly are the second best healer in the game. fast casts, big twincasts, split second group heals, non competing cooldowns between ranks....
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