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Post by shodai on May 11, 2015 12:50:53 GMT -5
So I'm curious if there is a reason to have backstab damage augs in my offhand. I see there is a backstab damage increase on Bandits Other Little Helper, though that is an offhand aug, yet I read online that backstab is calculated off the mainhand. Any thoughts on whether there is a point to have augs that enhance backstab in my offhand? Clearly Bandits Others' proc is awesome so no point removing it, but I have 2 other backstab augs in my offhand that I could replace with DD augs.
Thoughts?
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Post by Atrayas on May 11, 2015 13:22:05 GMT -5
there are 3 modifiers that can be added to weapons.
Base backstab dmg = only works on main hand.
Raw backstab dmg (like the 3000 on dagger of the abyss) - Works on both weapons.
back stab percent - highest one works.
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Post by shodai on May 11, 2015 13:38:24 GMT -5
Yep, replaced my OH augs and even more dps.
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Post by Assault, The Absent on Nov 8, 2017 10:14:39 GMT -5
Considering the backstab damage on "Other Bandits Little Helper" does not add any benefit, do you think it would be possible to take a look at adding "Raw backstab" damage to this aug?
The base damage on the rogue 2.0 is considerably lower than other 2.0 weapons making the standard melee damage fairly low. This might be something to take a look at as well, just something to consider.
Also, it looks like triple attack for rogues stops going up at 75, but shows a cap on the skill well over; I believe it shows 75/225.
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Post by Arek on Nov 8, 2017 12:05:42 GMT -5
Rogue is like the top DPS class on the server. If you aren't getting backstabs that make your jaw drop, then I assume you aren't managing your clickies/discs properly. As someone who played rogue extensively, I can guarantee they do not need a buff. Rogue 2.0 damage is lower because other classes can't triple backstab for 500k. If we weren't so squishy we would be on the next to nerf list for sure.
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Post by Sturm on Nov 8, 2017 13:23:55 GMT -5
Nerf Rogue's. Got ya, on it!
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Post by Assault, The Absent on Nov 8, 2017 13:43:29 GMT -5
Rogue is like the top DPS class on the server. If you aren't getting backstabs that make your jaw drop, then I assume you aren't managing your clickies/discs properly. As someone who played rogue extensively, I can guarantee they do not need a buff. Rogue 2.0 damage is lower because other classes can't triple backstab for 500k. If we weren't so squishy we would be on the next to nerf list for sure. A couple of things: 1. Considering your extensive experience with the rogue, can you please provide some input on rogue discs? Which ones are useful, which ones are not, when to use, etc? 2. I am well aware that rogues are capable of dropping large numbers, such as 500k backstabs. However, there are a few very stiff strings attached with that. In order to reach those kinds of numbers, your main disc needs to be running, 2.0 click needs to be running, and rochu belt click needs to be running. No doubt these are impressive numbers, but only consistently achieved every 12+ minutes. 3. Razorarc (I think is the right disc?) provides a great boost to your initial backstab as well. Like the other primary backstab disc though, it overrides the imperiums fury click and must be remembered to turn back on after every single use - kinda of annoying. I do not dispute that rogue is amazing damage, and might possibly be the best single target dps in the game. With that being said, how relevant is single target dps compared to AoE dps in most situations here? It has its place no doubt, but with the addition of the new Area disc, other classes are just as capable to throw out that much burst damage but spread across the board to a mass amount of mobs rather than backstab throwing down massive numbers onto one target. I dont mind the current system, although Razerarc or whatever resetting my fury every 12 seconds can really suck...and seeing the added damage on an off-hand only aug actually mean something would be nice.
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Post by Assault, The Absent on Nov 8, 2017 13:44:55 GMT -5
Nerf Rogue's. Got ya, on it! Nerf Rogues and buff Rangers and you have my full support! Backstab Arrow just has a nice ring to it doesn't it??
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Post by Arek on Nov 8, 2017 14:17:55 GMT -5
I never use Razorarc. Not sure if it's worth it or not, I just don't like it. Pally tanks and Rogue backstabs. That's it.
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Post by Assault, The Absent on Nov 8, 2017 15:13:53 GMT -5
I never use Razorarc. Not sure if it's worth it or not, I just don't like it. Pally tanks and Rogue backstabs. That's it. Crap! I knew I was doing something wrong...I have been Rogue Tanking and Paladin Backstabbing this whole time... No wonder!
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Post by Arek on Nov 8, 2017 16:24:53 GMT -5
No worries. It's something they hint at, but never just come out and say it. Think outside the box.
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