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Post by camosam on Nov 3, 2021 17:39:23 GMT -5
Godoeq and phroggy .. your forum creation date is laughable. Thanks for your experienced opinions.
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Post by Enzo on Nov 3, 2021 17:43:42 GMT -5
Bupu and Sturm, I would rather have a full wipe and reset and be able to play on the best server I have found so far, rather than no be able to play on Imperium at all. I know some may scoff, and not like the idea. But we get to be together again, and have fun. Watching the server go up - pending - locked - down again over and over and over again over the last few days let us know you were trying. With that said: I would also like to take the time and I know the rest of the community feels this way. We really do appreciate all of your hard work and efforts. Either way Wipe or not. Starting over is fine with me. Just to kind of respond to this thought...it isn't currently a "wipe or no more imperium" thing right now. Currently they are looking into all options to try to get this server resolved. Is the wipe a possibility on the table? It seems so. But I don't know if I would go as far as promoting for a full wipe especially when there are TONS of folks on here that have put in countless hours playing the content and progressing their characters. I am still hopeful for a non full wipe fix coming from a long time playing person on the server.
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Post by golbez on Nov 3, 2021 18:30:18 GMT -5
A non-wipe option would certainly be the best for everyone involved.
Although I'm not a programmer, I personally am in the dark as to how a wipe would fix the issues that have been presented anyhow. Seems to be a spell db and math problem? That problem would continue to exist even if the server were wiped.
The other massive issue with wiping...is starting again. Everyone will be back in the newbie zones at the same time. Everyone will be trying to do the same tasks and kill the same targets at the same time.
Even if things got "fixed", there will certainly be balance issues at some point.
Just saying it's not all roses and chocolate even if a wipe would actually help alleviate major issues.
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Post by godoeq on Nov 3, 2021 18:36:45 GMT -5
Camosam,
I know what it is like to go through a full wipe with a toon. I beta'd EQ, and I solely played on TESTEQ server.
So I have had my share of wipes.
But opinions are like eyeballs, everyone has one or two. In this care ours just happen to differ.
I am just saying "IN MY HUMBLE Opinion". Of all the custom servers Imperium seems to be the most even keeled, and I would rather have a wiped/stable even keeled server rather no server at all.
Question: Is it fair for Sturm and BUPU to spend countless number of hours trying to fix the problem? When they have already spent 5days trying to fix the problem? - They do this for free. - Cut them a little slack.
I also don't know what alternative solutions they have available. Perhaps they can copy the character database / with inventory and bank items? While doing a full server wipe?
/shrug/ It is what it is, but Imperium has been down for 5 days ... Just saying.
At what point do we take their bloodied bandages fingers (from madly typing away), and say enough ... You have done all you can. "He's dead Jim!" Then call for another redshirt (sever wipe)?
Maybe have a vote on the forums? How long should they pull their hair out? 5 days - 10? 60? 120? Before you will be ok with a wipe whether it is hard or soft?
I feel they have done enough ... 5 days? SHOOT! If I was running a sever, and had a family ... 4hrs in of frustrating work ... I would have wiped it and started it from scratch. I have a life, as I am sure they do. Can't be wasting time chasing the bugs.
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Post by camosam on Nov 3, 2021 18:54:49 GMT -5
Camosam ... I know what it is like to go through a full wipe with a toon. I beta'd EQ, and I solely played on TESTEQ server. So I have had my share of wipes. But opinions are like eyeballs, everyone has one or two. I am just saying ... IN MY HUMBLE Opinion. Of all the custom servers, Imperium seems to be the most even keeled. I would rather have a wiped, stable even keeled server. Than no server at all. QUestion: Is it fair for them to spend countless hours trying to fix the problem? They have already spend 5days trying to fix the problem, and you are wanting more out of them? They do this for free. I also don't know what alternative solutions they have available. Perhaps they can copy the character database / with inventory and bank items? While doing a full server wipe? /shrug/ It is what it is, but Imperium has been down for 5 days ... Just saying. a wipe doesn't magically fix code.
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Post by camosam on Nov 3, 2021 19:07:01 GMT -5
Camosam, I know what it is like to go through a full wipe with a toon. I beta'd EQ, and I solely played on TESTEQ server. So I have had my share of wipes. But opinions are like eyeballs, everyone has one or two. In this care ours just happen to differ. I am just saying "IN MY HUMBLE Opinion". Of all the custom servers Imperium seems to be the most even keeled, and I would rather have a wiped/stable even keeled server rather no server at all. Question: Is it fair for Sturm and BUPU to spend countless number of hours trying to fix the problem? When they have already spent 5days trying to fix the problem? - They do this for free. - Cut them a little slack. I also don't know what alternative solutions they have available. Perhaps they can copy the character database / with inventory and bank items? While doing a full server wipe? /shrug/ It is what it is, but Imperium has been down for 5 days ... Just saying. At what point do we take their bloodied bandages fingers (from madly typing away), and say enough ... You have done all you can. "He's dead Jim!" Then call for another redshirt (sever wipe)? Maybe have a vote on the forums? How long should they pull their hair out? 5 days - 10? 60? 120? Before you will be ok with a wipe whether it is hard or soft? I feel they have done enough ... 5 days? SHOOT! If I was running a sever, and had a family ... 4hrs in of frustrating work ... I would have wiped it and started it from scratch. I have a life, as I am sure they do. Can't be wasting time chasing the bugs. You enjoy painting in extremes don't you.
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Post by godoeq on Nov 3, 2021 19:13:02 GMT -5
Camosam,
If it helps to get the point across.
Remember we are not dealing with Verant, Sony, or Darkpaw games who just want our money.
We are dealing with 2 people who do this out of the kindness of their heart, and passion for the game. That has to be worth something.
-GoDO
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Post by camosam on Nov 3, 2021 19:22:25 GMT -5
Camosam, If it helps to get the point across. Remember we are not dealing with Verant, Sony, or Darkpaw games who just want our money. We are dealing with 2 people who do this out of the kindness of their heart, and passion for the game. That has to be worth something. -GoDO You think people who have been playing here for years don't know that. I know this all too well. But pushing your extremes an/or for wipes when you have no idea what your talking about isn't helping. Must be hard to reroll after a hardcore week or two of playing. Seasoned vets would rather wait it out if that's what it took.. and are patient because we have been around for a while .. we understand who these guys are and enjoy playing with them. But nevertheless.. most all will respect what the owners choose .. its in their hands not either of ours.
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Post by godoeq on Nov 3, 2021 19:44:47 GMT -5
Just because I have only been here for 2 weeks (to be honest - Not even). Doesn't mean I don't understand what it is like to lose EVERYTHING. Especially with OLD SCHOOL experience curve (Hell levels anyone?), and AA point earnings.
Here is is sooooooo much more forgiving.
I was old school test server guild Primal Brood (live service) we had a bad wipe I recall ... It wasn't a full char wipe restart from clvl 1 (the last time a full char wipe happened was in 2000), This was after but no less painful. Try recovering when your 70 and totally naked. We had to go back to lower leveled zones to fight with "nothing on" to get re-equipped (well that is until one of the guild mages logged in). All I can say is I never loved a mage so much in my entire life.
Couldn't craft - Bank, Mats, Plat, everything gone! It was devastating but we still had our toons, guilds, and friends list. So it was not a total loss. So don't be dismissive that I don't know what a wipe is like.
Where were you when it happened? Probably sitting on a Proddie server like Firona Vie or something, or one of the other servers that were never wiped. Hell, that was back when you had to pay to play.
Regardless - I am going comms silent. Not going to pipe up any further and cause animosity. What happens, happens.
Hope to see you all in game sooner rather than later.
-GoDO
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Post by tysin on Nov 4, 2021 5:18:37 GMT -5
Gotta say its really crappy hearing what you guys have been doing to get through this only to be runnin out of ideas. It has to be a bit crushing.
I'm not sure what a "wipe" would mean, but it would be super hard to accept losing some stuff like General rank, or a 200+ iii, undead hunts, dragon hunts...
I'd be kinda happy to go back and re-do all the flagging again, gear up again I guess, but some of those really, really long and hard grinds.....oh boy. Not a fun decision for you guys. I know the previous server I really dedicated myself to playing to had a attack on the server which shut it down.
The owner basically never came back from it. He just didn't have the heart to do it all again. Which, after 2 years of waiting, I gave up and found imperium. So whilst I feel it'll suck hardcore to consider grinding some of the above, I realise it's gotta suck 10x more having put all this work into the server (and your future plans) only to be in this position. Good luck whatever you choose, no easy options.
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Post by phroggy on Nov 4, 2021 9:01:07 GMT -5
Godoeq and phroggy .. your forum creation date is laughable. Thanks for your experienced opinions. And what, pray tell, does my forum creation date have to do with anything? Just because its the first time I've posted (thus created an account) has nothing to do with my EQ experience. I started playing EQ on the original Test server, at the start of Beta III. I've been playing ever since. And I'll keep playing. I'm not advocating a wipe. I'm just offering support and advice to our server admins, who are battling for our EQ lives.
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Post by camosam on Nov 4, 2021 14:07:50 GMT -5
Admins Extraordinaire: I agree with that GodoEQ freak... Do a complete wipe and re-install of your server and it's contents! Use new and updated code that will make your server-maintenance and other chores fun, instead of tiresome! We all know server admins do it because they love the code as much as as the worlds they build. So, make the world new again in as easy and future-proof a way as you can, and then let's ALL of us get back to normal life! Yay! lol this was put to bed last night .. thanks for not advocating for a wipe dead topic gg
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Post by Bupu on Nov 4, 2021 16:39:17 GMT -5
We will do everything in our power to get Imperium back up and in tact. However, I feel it is best to let you all prepare for worst case scenario and that is a wipe. Knowing it can happen is better in my opinion than finding out after the fact.
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Post by xikmynded on Nov 4, 2021 16:49:55 GMT -5
Bupu and Sturm - I know your both busy, just a fyi...I sent you both a pm. Let me know
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Post by socar on Nov 4, 2021 17:45:36 GMT -5
Nov 4, 2021 9:01:07 GMT -5 phroggy said:
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Nov 3, 2021 17:39:23 GMT -5 camosam said:
Godoeq and phroggy .. your forum creation date is laughable. Thanks for your experienced opinions.
And what, pray tell, does my forum creation date have to do with anything? Just because its the first time I've posted (thus created an account) has nothing to do with my EQ experience. I started playing EQ on the original Test server, at the start of Beta III. I've been playing ever since. And I'll keep playing. I'm not advocating a wipe. I'm just offering support and advice to our server admins, who are battling for our EQ lives.
the point he is making is new players who have been here for 1-4 weeks are coming is saying go ahead and full wipe and restart. when players like me who have 2 years of work put in will lose everything and have to start all over and some of those things can take a very long amount of time. so to us it just sounds a little selfish. Now i know bupu and sturm will so what ever they have to do. if it is a full wipe then that is what it is and people will deal with the choice their own way.
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