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Julius
May 7, 2021 13:21:54 GMT -5
Post by sjana2 on May 7, 2021 13:21:54 GMT -5
I guess the good news is that Iserak has been reunited with his real father. Thanks for stepping up, Mukluk
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Julius
May 7, 2021 14:23:40 GMT -5
Post by IsakkTwo on May 7, 2021 14:23:40 GMT -5
LMAO.
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Julius
May 7, 2021 16:15:02 GMT -5
Post by sydal on May 7, 2021 16:15:02 GMT -5
Exceed or attempt to bypass the IP limit of 2 accounts logged in per household. <--- Let's say you and your friend live in the same household, you abide by the rules, and you only each play 1 character at a time, you 2 box when the other person isn't playing. Now the time comes and you move out from that household and move into your own household. You say to your friend, we aren't in the same household, let's both box and play together now, that'll be a blast! So there you are, playing with your friend and there's 4 accounts online, two using the old household IP, and the other two with a different (new house) IP, but the new house IP also has the old IP under its record. Are you breaking the household rule? Do you deserve a ban for breaking that rule? From a technical perspective it looks bad, and it would be understandable why there's a ban. However, if the person is known in the community as stand-up, non-cheating, not trying to by-pass the household rule, shouldn't they be given the benefit of the doubt that this was an unfortunate scenario?
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Julius
May 7, 2021 16:48:31 GMT -5
Post by Bupu on May 7, 2021 16:48:31 GMT -5
Exceed or attempt to bypass the IP limit of 2 accounts logged in per household. <--- Let's say you and your friend live in the same household, you abide by the rules, and you only each play 1 character at a time, you 2 box when the other person isn't playing. Now the time comes and you move out from that household and move into your own household. You say to your friend, we aren't in the same household, let's both box and play together now, that'll be a blast! So there you are, playing with your friend and there's 4 accounts online, two using the old household IP, and the other two with a different (new house) IP, but the new house IP also has the old IP under its record. Are you breaking the household rule? Do you deserve a ban for breaking that rule? From a technical perspective it looks bad, and it would be understandable why there's a ban. However, if the person is known in the community as stand-up, non-cheating, not trying to by-pass the household rule, shouldn't they be given the benefit of the doubt that this was an unfortunate scenario? In this scenario presented it could be easily cleared up and notes added to the account or the old IP removed from your accounts so that they are no longer connected, which would result in us returning the banned accounts. Unfortunately, this is not entirely what this situation entails.
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Julius
May 7, 2021 17:35:13 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by sydal on May 7, 2021 17:35:13 GMT -5
The real situation differs, but I don’t feel comfortable sharing any personal details as they are not mine to share.
However, my point is that IPs don’t always tell the whole story; that I have played with Julius since we were new to the server and it has always been just Julius and Diemuzi, he’s not one to play 4 characters or try to cheat the system.
This is your server, and you have every right to decide who does or doesn’t play here. I respect that, and will not push anything further.
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socar
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Post by socar on May 9, 2021 14:12:00 GMT -5
on the IP issue. if my wife wants to play i have to choose which of my 2 main chars to play with her. i can't run both of mine and her run 1 or 2. that's just how the rules are. so even if it was only his 2 characters on. if someone else that shares the same IP set logs in then they violated the policy. and from what i read you would rather the GMs let these people play the way they want instead of following the same rules that we are meant to follow. just because they helped you or a few others don't mean they should be allowed to just do what they want and just expect a slap on the wrist. did they go to Bupu/sturm after the ban and discuss the matter? did they explode and call people names and cry? these can make a huge difference. i've seen multiple times where a person explodes and reacts badly to a ban or punishment and then wonder why they got banned and can't come back. i've seem some take the punishment and are allowed back. there are alot of factors here. just because they seem great to you don't always mean they didn't act wrongly. and i did just move and if the people i live with wanted to play then i would play 1. if my wife then wanted to play i would work it out and get the expection by following the correct path
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Julius
May 10, 2021 12:46:21 GMT -5
Post by diemuzi on May 10, 2021 12:46:21 GMT -5
Hello everyone,
It's time to put this debate to rest. I've read all the comments and really, it's not worth the anger or the consumption of ones feelings about this situation. However I would like to clear up a few assumptions that have been brought up. For one, I have never 4 boxed. The GM's can say this was the case as much as they so desire but the truth of the matter this was never the situation, I have only ever played Julius / Diemuzi. As for treating anyone unfairly this has never happened. From the time I started to my ending I was always helpful and kind to every person. No I did not attack the GM's because of their decision and I did try to open a conversation with them but they had already made up their minds. I sent 1 message to Sturm after Bupu mentioned I needed to talk to him and Sturm replied one 1 time as well. I explained my situation in great detail, keeping it very clean without any harrasement or foul words or even attempting to attack any person(s). Even if the ban was reversed I feel that I would be watched like a hawk and simply banned once again to simply justify the original ban. This is not healthy and not worth my time as I also would not have fun like I once had. I had a lot of great adventures on this server and I've been blessed to meet a lot of great people but just like everything else in the real world, it has to come to an end at some point. This is my ending and I have no regrets and have moved on, you should too. Thank you to everyone who made it possible to have such great times and good adventures and I hope all those who continue to play continue to enjoy their time here.
~ Julius / Diemuzi
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Julius
May 14, 2021 15:22:27 GMT -5
Post by bigtoes on May 14, 2021 15:22:27 GMT -5
The trouble is that 'Nephs' taggged poeple are part of the exploits. There are so many that are not in those behaviours. Bad luck for them, they will be tagged as cheater for life in the server. maybe a guild disband is needed to protect others.
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Enzo
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Julius
May 17, 2021 13:39:07 GMT -5
Post by Enzo on May 17, 2021 13:39:07 GMT -5
LOL....this has got to be the most arrogant post I've ever seen...please delete.
You do realize there has been MANY others suspended and/or banned....including the other "popular" guild...(which my understanding you're in that guild)... and many others that are "non-neph"...
Additionally I would only presume you do not know the entire story on this ban that has been posted here...unless some how you have insider information that "isn't" being shared?....
Also...love how your stating to "disband" the other big guild on the server...last time I checked Neph is VERY good at helping out others and bringing in new people to make them feel welcomed to the server...if you for some reason want to group an entire guild with your above "tagging" because of the unknown in this instance or a few instances in the past then...please take your toxicity some where else as your post is 100% not needed...OR here's an idea for you...why don't you realize it's not just Neph people getting the ban/suspension sticks so I guess if we follow what you say we might as well label everyone on the server as cheaters for life....that doesn't make sense does it?
It's really sad to see someone attack a guild...
/facepalm
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sayrn
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Julius
May 17, 2021 13:43:17 GMT -5
Post by sayrn on May 17, 2021 13:43:17 GMT -5
Look son, I'm going to dismiss your personal attack as you not knowing what character means. So let's kindly stick to the facts Is the household limit prominently displayed: Yes, in the MOTD, Server Rules on the boards, and in the discord Did he violate said rule: Yes, very clearly so. Nobody has yet to argue this statement as not being fact. Is he a stand-up guy: Opinion. There are at least 3 guilds of people that fall into your definition of stand-up that have not violated point 1. By that measuring stick alone, he's not as stand-up as you say he is. Does the GM's have the right to give out punishments as they see fit: Yes. Has there been an exodus of people: Nope numbers are pretty stable. People are still helping people just as it's always been. Sure some of Julius' friends may leave, but people come and go all the time. Julius' issue was more complicated than just logging 4 chars in one household. Quite frankly if you don't know then you shouldn't talk about it. That includes my guys as well. This topic is pointless. Julius will not be coming back regardless based on what he told me. Bupu/sturm please delete this thread as its only hurting the community.
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Julius
May 17, 2021 13:48:47 GMT -5
Post by IsakkTwo on May 17, 2021 13:48:47 GMT -5
The trouble is that 'Nephs' taggged poeple are part of the exploits. There are so many that are not in those behaviours. Bad luck for them, they will be tagged as cheater for life in the server. maybe a guild disband is needed to protect others. nice, attacking a guild with baseless accusations. real smooth there. @saryn; it's only hurting the community to have weird ass bans come out of nowhere and for people to shove pikes up their rear ends trying to act as if we shouldn't question decisions if it seems off. that we should just turn a blind eye and twiddle our thumbs to everything that sturm and bupu do. people were confused and irate with the ban and simply wanted answers.
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sayrn
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Julius
May 17, 2021 13:50:06 GMT -5
Post by sayrn on May 17, 2021 13:50:06 GMT -5
The trouble is that 'Nephs' taggged poeple are part of the exploits. There are so many that are not in those behaviours. Bad luck for them, they will be tagged as cheater for life in the server. maybe a guild disband is needed to protect others. Only guild with more ban's was Heroes of the Lance. The guild that was run by the server owners, maybe you've heard of it. Accepting people comes with risk. But its worth it. We accept anyone and everyone on the server like Heroes did before us. Everyone deserves the chance to have community and to see endgame. Not just who your guild deems worthy.
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Julius
May 21, 2021 16:16:43 GMT -5
Post by bigtoes on May 21, 2021 16:16:43 GMT -5
The trouble is that 'Nephs' taggged poeple are part of the exploits. There are so many that are not in those behaviours. Bad luck for them, they will be tagged as cheater for life in the server. maybe a guild disband is needed to protect others. Only guild with more ban's was Heroes of the Lance. The guild that was run by the server owners, maybe you've heard of it. Accepting people comes with risk. But its worth it. We accept anyone and everyone on the server like Heroes did before us. Everyone deserves the chance to have community and to see endgame. Not just who your guild deems worthy. You are the so kind to push up the server so much, i had a tear.
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Julius
May 26, 2021 9:11:00 GMT -5
Post by mukluk4 on May 26, 2021 9:11:00 GMT -5
While yes, everyone deserves community, only those that earn it should see endgame (preferably though a solo flagging process or series of quests, instead of being dragged through a guild event). Having watched certain people continue to AFK at a zone in while others do the work for them is pretty disheartening. In addition, there will be scaling going forward, so if you can't pull your own weight then you are only dragging everyone else down. If you as a guild feel that you are ok with such an arrangement, don't assume everyone else is.
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