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Julius
May 6, 2021 17:28:41 GMT -5
Post by sjana2 on May 6, 2021 17:28:41 GMT -5
Perma-banning Julius and his wife is bad for the server. Julius/Diemuzi played pretty much every day, and his wife was very rarely on. Last night was one of those occasions. Julius is a good and friendly player who went out of his way to help a lot of people on the server, not just in Nephilim. He put a lot of work into his characters.
If you feel he violated your policy please at least reconsider the permanent ban. Its just a loss of a great player on an already small population server. Our guild misses him, and a lot of other people who he grouped with or helped probably will as well.
Thanks,
Sjana
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Julius
May 6, 2021 18:11:04 GMT -5
Post by vyrial on May 6, 2021 18:11:04 GMT -5
I can only echo this. For what it's worth, this guy has been super active and helpful across the board! Always willing to help.
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Julius
May 6, 2021 18:40:14 GMT -5
Post by mukluk4 on May 6, 2021 18:40:14 GMT -5
Doing a lot for the server and following the rules are 2 very different things and being good at one shouldn't give you a pass at following the other.
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Julius
May 6, 2021 18:42:15 GMT -5
Post by vyrial on May 6, 2021 18:42:15 GMT -5
No, but feel it warrants some consideration in this punishments permanency.
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Julius
May 6, 2021 18:57:13 GMT -5
Post by sydal on May 6, 2021 18:57:13 GMT -5
I myself have decided to no longer play on Imperium due to this ban. Julius was a stand-up guy, and this ban wasn't fair. Best of luck Imperium.
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socar
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Julius
May 6, 2021 19:11:18 GMT -5
Post by socar on May 6, 2021 19:11:18 GMT -5
it was stated in the rules that there is a 2 IP limit period. if i want to play with my wife or family member i can't play both of mine. it's just a rule of the server. logging in a 3rd will normally boot all the other chars out. so having 4 active is a direct exploit
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socar
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Julius
May 6, 2021 19:12:43 GMT -5
Post by socar on May 6, 2021 19:12:43 GMT -5
Exceed or attempt to bypass the IP limit of 2 accounts logged in per household. <---
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Julius
May 6, 2021 19:22:12 GMT -5
Post by mukluk4 on May 6, 2021 19:22:12 GMT -5
It also takes special permission to even be granted more than 2 to begin with. So he took advantage of something that was given to him under special permission which makes that cut a little bit deeper.
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tysin
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Julius
May 6, 2021 21:42:24 GMT -5
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Post by tysin on May 6, 2021 21:42:24 GMT -5
So let's let the cat out of the bag.
Duping tower coins, IIIs etc. Going into Tacvi without appropriate flagging. Running more than 2 accounts off an IP Driving Epic 2.5/3.0 into "no drop" loot status through some actions that were causing large admin overhead
These have been - to my knowledge - the big issues that have happened in recent times on the server. There's been a few folks using MQ as well and they've got themselves banned pretty much straight away for being idiots. Another I'm aware of who was griefing, probably because they'd screwed up and were pissed off at themselves but wanted to blame someone else. Rules are rules. They are upfront and easy to find. My question is, when these people have been caught, have they remained calm, polite and tried to apologise for their mistakes, or have they been rude/abusive, and tried to defend their mistakes as it being the servers problem, not theirs? Because, having dealt with this type of stuff elsewhere, the majority of people don't like being punished in a game and react "out of character". Do you know whether the folks in the above instances have been type a or type b? Calm and apologetic, or rude and argumentative?
The real problem is, whenever folks do this shit, it cause some others who run a server volutarily for our benefit, to question how to stop being exploiting rules that they clearly put forward from day 1. What that has led to, is greater restrictions on those who are left behind, to ensure it can't be done again. Punitive measures for those who are able to do the right thing, but to ensure others can't do the wrong thing in the future.
It's time for people to pull their head out their butt and ask, "am I just being loyal to a friend who's bending the rules/cheating, or was this person really wronged?" These things are impacting the entire server, as the consequences happen beyond those who got banned. You're basically going into bat for someone who's done something wrong, at the expense of those who are doing it right.
Food for thought
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Julius
May 7, 2021 1:53:47 GMT -5
Post by sjana2 on May 7, 2021 1:53:47 GMT -5
I don't know about duping tower coins, I am the one who found out about the FTacvi go around and reported it, through Quickben to Katsgo/bupu.
The IP limit is meant to curb Army boxing, 1 person killing while 3 are afk is no army.
And if GMs don't want people to sell epic items, they should just no drop all of them. Under your guidelines, even helping someone kill an epic boss will become a faux pas.
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tysin
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Julius
May 7, 2021 3:10:01 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by tysin on May 7, 2021 3:10:01 GMT -5
1 person killing and 3 afk is 4x AA and a really efficient way to upgrade your ornaments (converting AA to PP). That's super efficient if they're all your toons.
Not saying that's what Julius did, I'd have no idea.
But, just on your point about it just being simple killing with some afk, what can be seemingly innocuous can have an impact on the server economy.
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Julius
May 7, 2021 6:28:28 GMT -5
Post by IsakkTwo on May 7, 2021 6:28:28 GMT -5
Here's my take;
This should not be a firm ban-means-ban thing. If it can be proved what Julius did is what they got him for, then sure a bonk on the head is warranted. However, the do not budge stance taken is also baffling. If it wasn't harming the economy (what economy?) or being massively misused on a server that doesn't breach triple digits? Who cares. Now, if it was being used to leap-frog other players or used to harm another person's progression? Sure, deal with it. This ban is pretty ridic and for it to be a "Sorry, you won't get anything back." style of perma-ban is not a good look.
The server does not win by over-swinging on the banhammer.
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Julius
May 7, 2021 9:03:07 GMT -5
Post by mukluk4 on May 7, 2021 9:03:07 GMT -5
If you haven't noticed, the ones who are personally impacted by this are nowhere to be seen on this thread. So it seems that you guys are making an issue out of something that's been accepted by the perps.
In the end, this is the GM's playground that they've just so happened want to share with us. They've provided a pretty clear guideline on what is/is not allowable. If you choose not to follow those rules, then you can get kicked off the playground with nobodies fault but your own.
In short, a decision has been made, seems that those impacted have accepted their fate, either get over it or move on.
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Julius
May 7, 2021 9:37:39 GMT -5
Post by IsakkTwo on May 7, 2021 9:37:39 GMT -5
You seem like you're a real bunch of fun, Mukluk, or a suck up/brown noser.
It's not as simple as 'get over it lol' or moving on - some people really enjoy what Sturm and Bupu provide. However, that doesn't mean one should stay silent on questionable decisions. People have put time into their characters on here, and helped foster the community through helping others. I wouldn't be where I was without people like Julius, Sjana, or others - so it's an issue that impacts not only Julius but the entire server. Besides that there's also the point of taking such a hard swing on someone with no real room for anything else.
Being stubborn against a guy who wasn't using it maliciously is about as weird a stance as any. When I last played some months ago, Julius kept to two characters online - Julius and Diemuzi. Never saw a third or fourth, and most definitely know the guy wasn't the sort to leap frog or roll for an item in some hypothetical situation with 4 characters. So it just seems like a very weird move. It's not like he exploited something big that messed up the entire server - if he even did what the ban claims what he did.
Nuking out active and helpful players only hurts - it never helps.
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Post by mukluk4 on May 7, 2021 11:49:57 GMT -5
Look son, I'm going to dismiss your personal attack as you not knowing what character means.
So let's kindly stick to the facts
Is the household limit prominently displayed: Yes, in the MOTD, Server Rules on the boards, and in the discord
Did he violate said rule: Yes, very clearly so. Nobody has yet to argue this statement as not being fact.
Is he a stand-up guy: Opinion. There are at least 3 guilds of people that fall into your definition of stand-up that have not violated point 1. By that measuring stick alone, he's not as stand-up as you say he is.
Does the GM's have the right to give out punishments as they see fit: Yes.
Has there been an exodus of people: Nope numbers are pretty stable. People are still helping people just as it's always been. Sure some of Julius' friends may leave, but people come and go all the time.
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