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Post by pryme on Apr 24, 2015 15:40:31 GMT -5
I am very close to deleting that stupid weapon. Quarkens has been nothing but issues from a development stand point.
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Post by besetti on Apr 24, 2015 16:37:16 GMT -5
Alot of hostility from the devs over this issue.
Balancing shouldn't happen in a vacuum, tanks should be balanced against each other. In a similar test, how many could you pull as an SK or PAL? That said, nobody is claiming the sky is falling, there is no rush to make any changes, we are just expressing our opinions on the current state of warriors.
The only suggestions in this thread are lifetap based but that doesnt mean warriors couldn't be changed in other ways(ie remove the recast delay on final stand). Nobody can deny that warriors benefit the least from the custom server rules(regardless of AC softcap, a few more hp, etc) almost everything a Pal or SK casts is boosted by spell dmg or heal amt while warriors have 0 besides procs(and with 100-150 dmg procs, our effective cap on spell dmg/heal amt is ~3500). The quarken is literally the only item where we can make use of higher spell dmg(and even then we only utilize less than 1/2 of the actual cap).
Perhaps raising the max a war can raise his procs via spell dmg/heal amt would be a solution.
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Post by jezril on Apr 24, 2015 20:03:47 GMT -5
Alot of hostility from the devs over this issue. Balancing shouldn't happen in a vacuum, tanks should be balanced against each other. In a similar test, how many could you pull as an SK or PAL? That said, nobody is claiming the sky is falling, there is no rush to make any changes, we are just expressing our opinions on the current state of warriors. The only suggestions in this thread are lifetap based but that doesnt mean warriors couldn't be changed in other ways(ie remove the recast delay on final stand). Nobody can deny that warriors benefit the least from the custom server rules(regardless of AC softcap, a few more hp, etc) almost everything a Pal or SK casts is boosted by spell dmg or heal amt while warriors have 0 besides procs(and with 100-150 dmg procs, our effective cap on spell dmg/heal amt is ~3500). The quarken is literally the only item where we can make use of higher spell dmg(and even then we only utilize less than 1/2 of the actual cap). Perhaps raising the max a war can raise his procs via spell dmg/heal amt would be a solution. Let's be real here, warriors have a clear advantage over Sk's/pals because of the weapon only. When you factor in how many lifetap procs they can have going at once (5) if I'm not mistaken, 4 from quarks+life tap augs and SK ornate BP clicky, their survivability is insane. A warrior that is equal geared/aa'd with quarks and life tap augs can face tank mobs without any real effort that My SK can't. And this isn't even factoring in the twin cast aug. Sk's can only get 3 proc going at once (2 from weap including augs and one from self buff. It's a clear advantage here that they have over other classes just because of a weapon....its quite silly really.
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Post by besetti on Apr 24, 2015 20:19:59 GMT -5
1.) The twin cast aug doesnt affect procs at all, so thats a benefit for SK. 2.) Its pretty misleading to just talk about the quantity of lifetaps and not the lifetap amount. 3.) Offhand procs are not nearly as often as primary hand procs so you cant just add those 1 to 1. 4.) A big part of this discussion is that the dev's dont want to continue the quarken, but its such a huge boost to survivability that without it we will be severely lacking. 5.) I would contest that war have a clear advantage over SK/PAL but for the sake of argument lets assume that. If you look at the tank balance that was posted, they want warriors to be the best tanks but not best dps and the quarken fits that pretty well(shitty ratio, great survivability).
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Post by pryme on Apr 24, 2015 20:56:40 GMT -5
Never said we were going to take it away. I simply ment it's been a pain to get you guys to stop using it. I know warriors are way ahead of sks and paladins as far as tanking. They were also leaders of dps for a long time. But right now rogues have that with thier 150k backstabs. There will never be a sword like quarkens again. If we go down that route it will be a all/all weapon.
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Post by yunke on Apr 25, 2015 2:13:10 GMT -5
TBH I started the server as warrior without any knowledge that Quarkens exist. I saw the tag solo / duo, and since my playtime its hard depending on work, it was a good option to play in this server Why I made a war / sham ? I didnt talked to anyone once I started to check " whats the best combo / option " Didnt asked for gear or what was the top gear I just started this duo because I love wars and shaman will give me whatever I need to play ( Slow, haste , buff, heals ) And im sure that 90% of main wars ( and for main I mean the first toon you created and played, not the " I create a war and now its my main cuz I looted 2 x quarkens ) made a war without any idea of that wep. Yes, its hard to stop us using it, but as solo / duo content, it give us the chance to use our box as dps too And tbh I use a quarkens and still need to cast heals with my shaman because you aint inmortal. And thats why I started the post , to ask the ones that play wars, if they already tested the new wep with 1 or 2 drain augs to compare the stats. But you cant compare the heal potency from SK / Pal with a war with 2 swords. Yes, you can have 5 procs from weps and 1 from the clicky bp, but its a proc. Paladins can heal without problems ( you can load all gems as heals if you want ) and SK can chain cast drains ( with all the dmg / heal power from gear, its just crazy ) That dosent mean we are quarkens dependant, but be honest, it helps alot during our hard times.
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Post by camosam on Apr 26, 2015 11:53:05 GMT -5
I currently use 2 of the abyss weapons.. 1 sword and 1 dagger. I personally love them. With the lifetap augs that are supplied I have no issue being able to keep up with the hardest of mobs. Of course I have my shaman to heal when needed. That being said I do like the idea of more lifetap augs being offered perhaps in different aug slots as well, therefore anyone can use nothing but lifetaps if they choose. Just throwing ideas out there but maybe a special weapon vendor that sells bare swords with extra aug slots that are not common, and the uncommon slot augs will be available for purchase/quested. This would take a lot of time most likely however would be something that could be used to grow with the servers difficulty. If you wanted to have a sword that was 100% lifetaps you could but you would get no proc for anything else and might suffer overall damage/stats, or if you wanted a sword that procs 3 different type of dots that would be something that you could create by using the different augs. Essentially everyone could have a custom sword to match up more with their play style.. would be neat.
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Post by yunke on Apr 26, 2015 12:05:31 GMT -5
Camo's idea remember me the good Diablo 2 times, with the cube/gem playtime Before we give em more ideas, lets wait till they fix this expansion, the spells, the effect / click on items etc But thnx camo for your point, its time to farm that weps
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Post by b33tlejuice on Apr 28, 2015 8:56:07 GMT -5
this thread is lol. I'm a monk, and seeing these warriors qq is kinda funny. I'd say nerf quarkens to not have the tap no more, all of them not just future drops, theres a way to do that right? You guys made the AA augs for a reason, and every other melee class gotta get that or one of those weaps off mayong and we dont got their kinda survivability, Specially if they're boxing a healer(again, more specificlly a shaman!)!
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Post by besetti on Apr 28, 2015 9:53:47 GMT -5
And who do you think made the Quarken's?
This weekend both a Paladin and a Shadowknight soloed Zun in Txevu... any warriors do it with or without quarken?
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Post by b33tlejuice on Apr 28, 2015 10:10:17 GMT -5
And who do you think made the Quarken's? This weekend both a Paladin and a Shadowknight soloed Zun in Txevu... any warriors do it with or without quarken? probably, get the new weapons with some lifetap augs and lemme know!!
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Post by besetti on Apr 28, 2015 10:23:37 GMT -5
Coming from the guy who doesnt want to aug his weapons so he doesnt miss a pet proc, your opinion is pretty useless.
P.S. Feel free to leave the discussion about warriors to those who play warriors.
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Post by Vinlar on Apr 28, 2015 10:27:11 GMT -5
Play nice now, =)
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Post by Atrayas on Apr 28, 2015 10:27:21 GMT -5
And who do you think made the Quarken's? This weekend both a Paladin and a Shadowknight soloed Zun in Txevu... any warriors do it with or without quarken? Quarkens was a gm gifted item to a player on live years ago. It was not made by us but already existed in the db. The weapon was an oversight when it was put in as a random drop and I dont believe Zephyr realized at the time how much of an issue it was going to become later on.
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Post by b33tlejuice on Apr 28, 2015 12:33:28 GMT -5
Coming from the guy who doesnt want to aug his weapons so he doesnt miss a pet proc, your opinion is pretty useless. P.S. Feel free to leave the discussion about warriors to those who play warriors. who said i don't have a warrior, it's just I <3 monk way more than warrior. and why i haven't needed to get a tap aug *yet* and prolly am going to try NOT getting one, them pets do a good job of dps, and now I got 2 knuckles, might just aug the offhand with a lifetap an u seem mad about my opinion differing from yours and that it would take away your "beloved" quarks. Also how does flaming benefit you? How does it benefit the servers community? But if you want to be sophmoric, i guess thats your choice.
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